Sunday, February 26, 2006

Pan Iranism and Afghans: Posted by Nick

Posted by "Pan-Iranist"

Hello everyone,

Here is a list of the modern iranian peoples:

Modern Iranian peoples
Peoples Countries/regions found in
Baloch Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan
Gilanis Iran
Jasz Hungary
Kumzari Oman
Kurds Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria
Laks Iran
Mazanderanis Iran
Ossetians Russia, South Ossetia (Georgia)
Pamiri people Tajikistan
Parsis & Iranis India
Pashtuns Afghanistan, Pakistan, India
Persians
Aimaqs
Bakhtiaris
Farsiwans
Hazaras
Tajiks
Tats
Iran,
Afghanistan, Tajikistan
Tajiks of China China
Lurs Iran
Talysh Azerbaijan
Wakhi Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, China
Zazas Turkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

my point in posting this list is to point to the fact that virtually all afghans except the Uzbeks are of iranic stock

the turks have central asia and the arabs have north africa and the mideast but we ( Iran, Tajikistan and Afghanistan) only have each other

the motivation behind this information is not a wish to "control" afghanistan/ tajikistan, i just want to revel in my kinship to people beyond iran's current borders

Posted by Nick (afghan):

What you need to know is that Afghans and Iranians (Persians) are of two different origin might share ancestors some 15%-30% of the Persians who some 3000 years ago shared common roots and even so the true ancestors of Most Persians claim ie Medes were only a ruling class not a majority when they reached Iran. But the rest of IRanians are of different race mostly Elamic who are closely linked with Babylon or Assyrians. Where As Afghans (Saka tribes of Sakastan reference Bishtun) helped Medes beat Assyrians in taking control of Susa and Pars "the beauty of all cities" Which has always been the capital of Iranian civilization.

Over all Afghans have always had their own kingdoms, empires and system of ruling infact even different religion at times although Zorastrian came into Iran during 650 BCE but it was very much practiced by Afghans, in fact an Afghan religion.

Ariana was well known nation of Afghanistan, its border does not surpass Tus or Khybar and from Oxus to Markan was all known as Aryana.
I tried my best to link the areas into three old provinces.

-Zawalistan (also known as Seistan/Sistan/Sakastan/Zabolistan) with its famous Zoroastrian---> areas as Bost, (LAshkargah), Archorisia (Kandahar), Zabul, Gerdiz, Jibal (Ghur/Urzagan), Ghazni, Quetta, Zarhanj (Nimroz) and Helmand.

-Pakhtria (Bactria) -->modern Kondoz, Mazar-i sharif, Takharistan, Badakhshan, Baghlan, Samangan, Sar-e-pol. Note Pakhtrian empire included all of Kabulistan)

-Kabulistan-> areas such as Nuristan, Kabul, Parwan, Parachinar, Maydan Shahr, Paktika, Tank, Zhob, Bamian, Chitral, Peshawar,

-Aria, -->Herat, Badghis, and Farah.

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No my friend language does not represent blood roots, as we know languages changes all the time like depending on the time and region for example Iran from historical point of view had over 10 famous languages.

language was born with heavy influence of Greek loan words sometimes referred as Parthian Language. Later a during Sassanian a new language came about known as " From 3000 BCE-2000 BCE their language known as Akkadian (Kingdom that ruled most of Iran also known as Elamid with their capital at Susa modern Pars) and from 1950 BCE up to 1000 BCE their language was known as Old Assyrian. From 1000 BCE to 700 BCE their language was Assyrian or Neo-Assyrian. From 650 BCE a new language was born known as Median language of (Medes 750 BCE-650 BCE) were of Aryan origin, by the late Cyrus (king of Anshan) a new language was born known as Old Palavi (550 BCE). By 200 BCE AshkaniNEW Palavi" by the time of Shapur I it enjoyed a great period of fame, by the Afghan Kushanis whom Wahram III or Vahram III (He was known as Ardeshir Niku later Persian named him Ardeshir Kar (donkey) I assume because he was non-Persian) launched his attacks and took over this was the period known as Kushano-Sassanians soon he died his son known as Yazdegerd the Unjest (In fact according to many source he was Just since he allowed many religions like Hinduism and Buddhism again he was not liked because of his origin) from which his son the famous Bahram Ghur and thanks to Kushanis during this period a new version was born known as New Sassanian ;) the mixture of Afghan influence continue to hunt down crown until coming of Islam. From 680 AD up to 1000 AD Arabic was used (However further in the north-West of Iran Arabic was used until late 1300 and 1400 AD. And Now its widely just Savifadi Farsi or known as Persi, in the west known as Persian.

As you can see Language changed over many times does that represent any Race?

In the same fashion Afghans have always went through these steps, Verdic (Book of Famous Rigvada) 3000-2000 BCE, old Awestian 2000-1200 BCE, and from 1200 BCE to 700 BCE Old Pakhtrian was used (Sometimes referred to as Awestian) can be identified as middle Awestian. From 650 BCE-350 BCE Prakṛta was spoken all over Afghan land also known as Prakrit which was the language of Afghanistan and language of our famous writer Paṇini's who created the Aṣṭh-adhyayi (Eight-Chapters) of Verdic Grammar otherwise today Rigvada would of been impossible to to read and understand. New Pakhtrian (also know as new Bactrian) which was the Language of Afghanistan from 300 BCE-150 BCE used loan word from Greeks and the system of writing was also used, by the 150 BCE another language was born from the Kushani which was an old version of Pakhtrian came about also sometimes known as Tokharian used by many Afghan empires such as Kadarites and Abdals (Abdalites) remained until upcomings of Islam. Arabic from 690 AD until 900 AD and from 900 AD Dari and by 14 century old language of Pakhtrian from lost mountains of hindukush came Pakhtu, heavily supported and today has over 20-30 million speakers. And Now we have Pashtu and Dari, (1940 AD-2007 AD)

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Not good not good at all.
Afgans it's Gross to say exact things........and wheare The Somonid's.First Muslim -Iranian Imperior's

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